I'm not sure whether the restrictions on health related information had a bearing on this aspect, or the Thrive aspect, or both. However, his zombie-murder persona wouldnt let think that far ahead. Shanann is very OCD [McKenna Lindstrom, the babysitter]. I am very new to this case, only a couple of months ago, end of November 2020 to be precise. He had strangled me while I was pinned down to the floor, face up. This is an excellent theory and makes a TON of sense!!! Netflix viewers believe a murdered wife sent police a clue from beyond the grave after spotting something "creepy" in the doco about her brutal murder at the hands of her cheating husband. Because you asked if I hurt her and I said no but I hurt her emotionally the agents said they already knew about Nikki which took Chris by surprise, he then realizes shes talked to the police. She didnt try to bite him? Also this is awful but he said he had to raise the girls arms up to get them into the hatches of the oil tank. He then pursued and strangled her there. I have high praise for you, you are excellent at what you do. If you look at other cases where someone is strangled to death, the amount of defensive wounds, including bruises, is extensive. Hes a piece of crap but make no mistake, they would be alive if not for Shannan. ShanAnn claimed to be pulling down $80,000 a year. Do you think youre asking for reasonable evidence that would be commonplace and easy to produce? Do you think that maybe she was actually just unconscious? He could have planned to go to work early that morning so as to avoid talking to Shanann. Reay & Holloway (1982) state that during neck holds, the blood flow to the head is reduced by 85% within six seconds. The girls were described as light sleepers, and I wonder if this was because in fact they were sleeping too much, because wow, that is a lot of sleep, even for their ages. So she wasnt in rigor at the home and was likely just starting to show signs while he was burrying her at the site. Where was all the money from that house? If you read through the autopsies very well you will see that the oldest girl, Bella, actually bit her tongue several times and had many injuries in her mouth. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0411/12/lkl.01.html, There are more details about the Watts precarious and declining financial situation in the body of this article as well: https://shakedowntitle.com/tag/scott-peterson/. Remember that Chris was sleeping in the basement at this time so they werent sharing a bed. I dont know her daily habits, but i use mine as an alarm. I did. Surprised he didnt run them thru the washer. In the 2000 page report that was released they pose the theory that she may have been asleep while attacked. He ran into Ceces bedroom and got on top of Shannan. It doesn't appear that the autopsy did a very thorough check. I have come to think of her OCD tendencies as a bit like the way she was around her kids. This is from the transcript of the Larry King Live show covering Scott Petersons conviction in the death of his pregnant wife Lacey thats Dr. Henry Lee, a forensic scientist: KING: If there were smothering, would there have been evidence? Kind of comforting too if they were unconscious when murdered they wouldnt have died in fear and terror. The graphic autopsy reports detail the condition of all three bodies after they were recovered from an oil site owned by Anadarko Petroluem, where Chris Watts buried them. Yes, there is a way to test whether bodies could be placed through the Thief Hatch with [or possibly without] breaking bones but youre not going to like it, Welcome to the Post Truth Phase of the Chris Watts Case, Exclusive Interview with the Lindstrom Couple, Proof The Third Baby Was All Chris Watts Idea, The Final Three Weeks of the Phone Data Review #2YearsAgoTodayCW. Otherwise I cant imagine why she didnt go for his eyes etc. She said on one video her kitchen has to be very clean, I know people that have spotless kitchens but rest of house is a mess. Chris was ocd also. He had to be gripping her face pretty damn hard to leave fingerprint bruises along the left side of her face. How does pretending to be asleep and cowardice align with murder? Also in his re-enactment they also didnt add up. For starters there was only ONE cadaver dog (the Lab) who indicated only TWO places in the house the spot in the basement between the stairs and the heating system fan, and by the rear sliding door! Remember, she was pregnant. Seriously? Everything you say can & has been disputed. Also, if memory serves, CW did at least one load of laundry on the night in question. Judging any of the characters in this story as either all good or all bad doesnt help us figure out what really happened. Then he agreed to go to Aspen with her for the weekend following her death. Its definately not most. As someone who has OCD I would appreciate if everyone commenting here would look up the mental condition. @Lisa if shed already died she would have not been engaged in the act of strangling her like he said. YES! And of course she loved her children, and she was a great mom. 100% yes again), @Kim cadaver dogs dont just detect bodies they scent death, trauma sites, bodily fluids relating to death, and sites where arguments have taken place (they scent the adrenaline-type hormones released Found this research paper a stunning indictment of Multilevel Marketing (MLM) industry. If you believe that Chris didnt kill his daughters, then why on earth did he dump their bodies in oil tanks like they were trash? Does this indicate that she was alive after being put into the oil tank? He was a mechanic. Addition. My husband and I wrestle and if he sits on my chest with my arms by my side, I cant move. She tells him youll never see the kids again he flips, kills her and poor little Bella sees it. People with OCD can have obsessions related to a wide variety of things, including losing control, hurting others, unwanted sexual thoughts, and many more. A . The Weld County Coroner released the complete autopsy reports of Bella, Celeste, and Shanann Watts, who were murdered by Chris Watts on August 13. Also, we usually can find some urine, fecal material, body fluid on the bed sheet and the quilt. I am by no means defending him. A persons muscles relax upon death, including the sphincter. Shanann returned home from a business trip on the early morning hours of August 13, 2019. Straight up facts. D Oil, water and sludge debris in the stomach Do you have any family that said she had OCD? Are you a parent? But I think she had some difficulty in raising and tolerating young children. Watts claimed that he snapped and strangled his wife when he found her murdering the girls, but he later pleaded guilty to all three murders. @Nick I think she was killed by a surprise carotid choke (blood choke) rendering her unconscious within 3-6 seconds, hence no defence injuries, and dead in 30 seconds at the most. Peanuts and tree nuts are VERY different, and supposedly CeCe had a *tree nut* allergy coconut, not peanuts! He knew immediately Watts was guilty as well as the neighbor viewing the camera. And about the **bra thing** (on or off, sleep or not), well this is a big deal to me, because I think it can be considered an indicator as to time of death, or at least, it can confirm she had the chance to get out of the clothes she came home in before she was attacked and killed. Id recite a few examples from case law but I dont think youre really here to discuss anything. I go back & forth wondering if he planned on killing the kids, or if Bella saw & then he had too. I guess he did want to get rid of them all, and do it all over again with her. The paper bags are put on the hands to transport the victim after they are found deceased as to not contaminate any potential evidence around the hands, such as DNA evidence under the fingernails. If he did it he would have killed in the same manner of death which would have been strangulation not smothering. Even in this scenario, you would expect fingernails in his forearm if Watts managed a rapid 10 second kill. And his mistress tells him she wants to be the one to have his first boy prior to the murders and surprise after finding out she is having a boy , she is now dead. I honestly believe Chris smothered them all with ethanol soaked cloths. My youngest daughter slept in a bra as well. If she was murdered in bed, why isnt there any evidence of that? Make sense? So the agent says what about strangling? Unless I missed it? My closets and nightstand is much cleaner than hers and I dont have OCD. In theory, you should find some evidence, which did not find. If he straddled her chest, and pins her arms down with his knees, she would have been incapacitated. Defining post mortem bruising requires qualified scientific investigation. His integrity shows through all the time. ~KSmallz. Hes asked whether Shannan was strangling CeCe or smothering her, at first he says strangling because this is the only thing that makes his story believable but afterwards he knows theyll be no marks so he says hes not sure. He said kidnap somebody, murder somebody. Saying she will be there with lollipops and other things. From their text messages & hers to friends you can tell he was trying to make her believe they had a chance & things were getting better. I have a question. Get a life and quit trashing innocent victims. Blood Alcohol. There are a lot of types online who get off on blaming victims for what others do. She should have seen my house when my kids were little. I actually have been turned upside down by this murder, and through watching over 42 hours of video, have grown to love and admire Shannan! The only thing that could have screwed with this is that $69 charge to the Lazy Dog. No other way to put it. He is very thorough, very professional, analyses and peels back all the layers. Look up alcohol levels in postmortem state. They dissipate in inconvenient circumstances. In fact, I wonder if LeVel pulled some strings in Chris plea bargain it would certainly be better for the MLM to not have details about its pernicious effect on this familys finances coming out in a court trial. To do her business? Again, less bad publicity for LeVel. Your email address will not be published. If the girls were dead by ca. The LeVel MLM was a huge contributing factor in this familys financial collapse. Wanting to know why is simply that wanting to know why. Thankyou Nick for all your studies, research and insights. 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