But- and heres the but- not forgiving them is no excuse for repeated bullying, harassment, and worse. Joined: Mar 2022 #5. i seriously didnt mean to sound defensive?? The thing to note here is that Hwasa is not fluent in English. Ive seen a lot of people (and even previously been them sometimes) throwing around the Siwon thing to say hes wildly homophobic, for example, when it turned out to be heavily unreliable and probably false. All this being said, Mamamoo is truly know, not as huge award/reality show winners, but as an idol group of the people. It is common in America to wear red puffy wigs as the stereotype of a clown, however it is not as common in South Korea, which is why Hwasa wore braids as the hair to her outfit. They wont know the nuances of why what they did is offensive to us and thats why we tell them. } Like who is the next ethnicity youre going to offend? It arguably began around late 2018 Windflower era, when antis began to change Mamamoo's music video titles to racial slurs and death threats. I really dislike fat girls. Thank you~). They were ignorant and uneducated at the time. Maybe you are just too sensitive?? There are so many kids in the . I like most of the members included in that post, please dont try to make it out like I dont, because it perpetuates the idea that fans cant criticise the things they love. Its probably my fault for not communicating that clearly enough though. Read more about it here. Goodnight. disclaimer: i am NOT trying to cancel any of the idols on this list, just calling them out. Whew, Im sorry for the long post haha. This page was loaded Sep 23rd 2021, 9:34 pm GMT. I found out that they did blackface which is disgusting and heartbreaking cause I really liked them so I stewed on it for a few days and looked again and found that they had apologised that same day 2x and that they also apologised in person the next day concert. ), http://ourbridgeisforever.tumblr.com/post/117874134598/hi-i-just-wanted-to-comment-on-your-tag-about, http://ourbridgeisforever.tumblr.com/post/117835308868/ayabewakasa-one-unsubstantiated-article-that, http://ourbridgeisforever.tumblr.com/post/118060768918/about-the-issue-of-siwon-saying-no-to-the-fanboy, http://ourbridgeisforever.tumblr.com/post/119551166438/baekbitchyeol-catchmeinthedrift. Im aware hes from Canada, Im aware people are less touchy-feely in the west, but the fact that the thought of his band members being gay or transworried him is definitely problematic. okay so somebody sent me a link to the video (thank you btw!) They expect idols to be the wokest people out there because theyre celebrities when in reality theyre just the product of their colorist society. okay so people seemed to find my exo masterpost pretty helpful and I'm very aware that suju aren't exactly the least offensive group around, so (since the YFIP one isn't very up-to-date) I thought I'd make a super junior masterpost since I'm a suju fan and I want to provide helpful resources for other fans . This resulted in people calling her out as dressing like a black stereotype, and complaining that she was even wearing blackface again, despite the fact that she had no heavily darker makeup on, and was simply rocking her naturally darker skin. but this stuff isnt discussed when it comes to suju - people take anything and make it problematic for members who havent done things like kangin, shindong, leeteuk, and yesung, and then just throw it around to defend their favorites. My first mistake was actually assuming that the video at the source was still there (because it had been last time I checked) and so I thought people would automatically know that he said it a long time ago judging by the video itself. Heres the thing- you can not forgive them. document.querySelector("#adunit").addEventListener('click',function(){ For the segment, the three followed outfits . Koreaboo, a digital media company, also reached out to the group because of the incident, and attempted to explain to them exactly why their video was so hurtful. I recently saw their variety show where they traveled to Busan and talked a bit about the past and Moonbyul said something that really squeezed my heart (paraphrasing): "We're human. Goodbye! | by unchangingtruth | Medium Write Sign up Sign In 500 Apologies, but something went wrong on our end. A large section of the hate she receives is linked to the idol rarely conforming to what is typically expected of women in K-pop, particularly ones in girl groups. When people see my profile pic on Instagram and see that I'm a black Moomoo , they always try to use it against me saying that I must not care about the black community if I still support them. Idols lives are super scrutinized, and I think many people just forget that idols are real people too. Yet we wonder why idols have to constantly showcase an "image" in order to not upset fans. if he just said that he wasshocked because he thought they were gay/trans, then its iffy. Things not included arent included because they DIDNT happen, stop believing lies told by edgy K-pop stans w/o any receipts. Thank you everybody for everything! This brings us now to the true reason for this article. Ill probably check over the masterpost tomorrow and try to add more info and context and stuff. Im not sure anyone will read this post, Im not sure if any of the people upset by my actions will read it (because I doubt they are following this blog) but I felt like I owed everybody an apology. If it had just been misheard or a mistranslation, why would they censor it? Mamamoo's "problematic" past (still robot voice, sorry sis) 325,340 views Sep 11, 2018 13K Dislike Share Chaennie Lisoo 38.1K subscribers In this video I take a look at one opinion in. I will put just a fraction of some of the hate comments they receive every day down below. actually dont feel like fighting that person on their response, so im just letting it go. cc @sexeyXR @chsjason @Mata10. I would think that all of their positives outweigh their negatives so I'm going to continue to be a fan of them and their musicand not care about netizen/fan hate against them. pic.twitter.com/d4GXcv4AIt, As more fans attempted to clear the hashtag and ask for others to be kind and consider the mental health of idols like Hwasa, some couldn't help but laugh at the questions being asked. Kpop music (as all music) is rightfully and obviously for everyone but i'm kinda surprised how big of a lesbian following kpop groups like mamamoo and dreamcatcher have and to some extent TXT, with other groups it doesnt seem to be that way. In terms of overlooking, I'm not sure what is expected since they've apologized for their actions and speech and the apologies have been pretty prompt. That obviously didnt work too well. I have a tendency to get a bit defensive and come across as rude/mocking/patronising/self righteous when I dont mean to, which Im trying to work on, but its hard to tell when Im doing it, so I try to avoid argument a lot. It hurts my heart to see people bash them like that, it really does. And yes I did make an exo masterpost, heres a link. 6)not excusing it or defending it but [continues to make an excuse for Henry] Sorry, but yes, you are trying to make up excuses for him. Refresh the page,. If you haven't, let me enlighten you. eventCategory: event.slot.getSlotElementId(), asked one user while another tweet read, "Dark skin or brown skin men? kpop groups; soloists; socials and info; Back; kpop groups. I did do that on my exo masterpost, but I also spent a lot more time and thought on that post as well. eventAction: 'click_image_ads' They apologized. pg.acq.push(function() { hitType: 'event', i just dont love all the stuff they say/do. Non fans for all the questions, suggestions, reviews, anything. Why was that her fault? If you have anything else you wanna add/say, my ask box is open, but I probably wont reply until tomorrow because I really need to go to bed. We are one of the worlds fastest growing ", #AskHwasa biggie or tupac? Everyone, dont think of dirty thoughts!, negative comment about Taos skin being dark, cant be too chubby/fat and must have a nice body, He has darker skin than me, doesnt he?, in general, youre skin looks better if you have a lighter skin tone. She made her solo debut with the single "Spit It Out" on April 23, 2020.She released her first extended play : Face with its . Not saying they should be excused for the things that have hurt other peoples feelings, but I dont think causing controversy or hurt would ever really be their intention for anything. So girls have to be skinny and boys can be Taken aback by their remarks, Shindong quickly explained, Im just saying. I did include apologies though, such as Shindongs, Kangins and Zhoumis. Sorry this got a bit long but I appreciate you responding. }); They are known and respected by the general public, for their powerful vocals and performances, and can only go up in relevance from here. Everyone seems to think that the world revolves around them. i am so so tired. I hear people say that she added it in to a song that didn't have it on purpose but that version is on Melon. In this video, they wore blackface. ga('ads.send', { Like everyone says here, it will never excuse their actions but if we can see them grow and learn from their mistakes I'll always be there to support them. Having said that it was still wrong but I don't acquite it to a minstrel show or it have been in a mock manner and I am glad that they apologised and have learnt from that. Hope that all made sense! But in this case it was obviously red, and drawn the way a clown would wear it. I didnt mean for this to spiral into an argument at all and I didnt post the post with malicious intent, though I know the intent doesnt matter all that much and that I did make mistakes. Joined: Sep 2021 #1. Everyone is welcome, fans and non-fans. I've researched it online and all I see are hate comments, especially towards Solar and Wheein. You are entitled to your own opinion, and if what Mamamoo has done is considered too ignorant or rude for you to support them anymore, that is 100% in your right to not excuse them for it. The Official MAMAMOO 18+ Thread - The Bar (18+) - OneHallyu Hello everyone, in honor of MAMAMOOs super awesome comeback for their sassy title track, Um Ah Oh Yeh, from their Pinky Funky mini album, I have decided to create a 18+ thread for the sexy ladies of MAMAMOO. It was laughable because a writer had a compilation of problematic things that idol groups did and you can very clearly see the double-standards people have for boy groups and girl groups (even the writer herself). Another thing referenced against Hwasa is the occasion she dressed up as a clown. I messed up, a lot, and I honestly do regret making the post. Again I apologise for any of the harm I have caused with this blog, it was definitely unintentional, but thats no excuse. ", which culture did u enjoy appropriaing the most #AskHwasapic.twitter.com/x6WYr2VeJa, Can we have a spoiler? Apink made an exciting appearance on the recent July 1 episode of SNL Korea, but one of the show's skits featuring member Bomi has caused a wave of backlash among fans and viewers. I think this is one thing that remains somewhat undecided but considering Baekhyuns track record, I wouldnt put it past him tbh. Yeah, the first thing international fans do is hear that Mamamoo is bad and that they shouldn't like them, and then they jump in on the hate without doing their own research. No it doesnt excuse what theyve said, but its likely that they have changed, which is something everybody does and it should be embraced. Group. Mamamoo are good, genuine people. Threads: 0. One fan shared a detailed card about it along with the message, "And if anybody wants to get brave about their past mistakes, heres a link with receipts and explanations. According to Koreaboo, throughout the conversations, not a single person from their side attempted to make excuses for their actions. | A Japanese Man Reacts to Duolingo Let's ask Shogo | Your. Posts: 310. Others were soon reminding Hwasa once again of her past mistakes, including wearing blackface along with the rest of Mamamoo in a performance where they were parodying Bruno Mars. #AskHwasa. They're open-minded and extremely kind people. ", The link includes the statements released on the group's behalf, most notably, their own apologies for their use of blackface which was released within four hours of the video going out. window.googletag.pubads().addEventListener('slotOnload', function(event) { People @Pr0blematicIdol follows or mentioned can reply Problematic Idols @Pr0blematicIdol Jan 3, 2021 Replying to @Pr0blematicIdol I was around during Queendom for the durag situation but I don't see that a large issue as one of loves Rihanna wearing them and was selling them and promoting them to all races. Im not Korean and I dont live in Korea so Im not comfortable talking about Korean social norms or anything like that, but colorism and homophobia are still bad and damaging things. The song itself did not originally contain the word, but the lyrics Hwasa was using were taken off the Melon website, which did. Yeah, the first thing international fans do is hear that Mamamoo is bad and that they shouldn't like them, and then they jump in on the hate without doing their own research. now onto the list: *Anything with an asterisk besides it is a fan account and so may not be entirely reliable, though are usually fairly trustworthy. Ive privated the post because it was very poorly made and I acknowledge that, however, some of the criticism Im getting is from 1) people who havent actually read the post and 2) people who are refusing to acknowledge some of the things I did include in it. Discover short videos related to mamamoo being problematic on TikTok. Like who is the next ethnicity youre going to offend? ", Where did you get ur African auntie outfit from?? Thank you very much for the information!! Have they done offensive and hurtful things in the past? It's just crazy how haters can twist every single thing. Mamamoo member Hwasa is one of the most compelling female idols. It's even harder these days.. anything can be taken out of context for example, they're banning "Baby It's Cold Outside" on the radio because some people feel the lyrics suggest date rape what a load of BS. Firstly, Im fairly sure I missed stuff, but also, a lot of it is somewhat interpretational. So to me Mamamoo isn't the most problematic groups, they are one of the every few kpop groups that take criticism and acknowledge it and learn from it. But this often means the backlash is swift and severe anytime she puts out new content. when in retrospect it really wasnt my place to do so and I want to say Im really, sincerely sorry about that. ), but I think if you look at all other successful idol groups too, there is always something similar with controversies and hate there as well. And when a few Moos did call other fandoms out on their abusive tweets, the response that night was majority she deserves it, or most common answer: its just a joke. I always try to reblog posts made by the people who are affected and include links in my responses but I havent been so good at keeping my mouth shut when it doesnt involve me, which is something I am going to change in myself. That crosses every sort of line. Someone might think its petty or ridiculous but theres no reason for people to put up with something offensive if they dont want to. Advanced Faker. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. The other day it was revealed that two major idols were dating, and before I had even seen the news article, I was in a Mamamoo fan group-chat, and someone sent out the link of the dating news with their comment under being, be on high alert for hwasas tags. Um yeah they are just that close that they make fun of each other. Another misconception I found was about Hwasa and how shes the devil and sooo racist. The ring around her mouth: Now a ring around someones mouth was something drawn back in the days of blackface to emphasize big lips. Thats not true. Notifications can be turned off anytime from browser settings. window.googletag.pubads().addEventListener('impressionViewable', function(event) { Mamamoo is perhaps most widely-known for writing their own music, their electric stage presence, and constant ad-libs often thrown in to make each stage as unique as it can possibly be. This, combined with their Immortal Song wins, truly demonstrates just how much of an impact Mamamoo has, as their reach goes far beyond just kpop. Joined: May 2022. So trend they did. To be honest, I wish Id made the suju post more like the exo one, because the exo one included a lot of the stuff people are criticising me for leaving out of this one. Daily persecution? She gets loads of comments drenched in colourism and misogyny about her genitals and looks its truly vomit worth. I read something the other day that said we forgive the people not the actions which I think is a accurate way of thinking. Im honestly not trying to tell people that everybody on that list is a problematic asshole, as Ive said before, Heechul is one of my ultimate biases and I dont think hes a problematic asshole. Probation Faker. Because of mistakes that they've made out of ignorance, mistakes that they've apologized for. There are many areas where I am still ignorant and I think I have a bit of an issue with talking over people, a bad habit I really need to break. okay so before i start this list, i just wanna clarify: i am an exo stan. Some of the stuff I included turned out to be something I misunderstood (for example, the gifset of Siwon) and with other things, I didnt include enough information or included misinformation. With reference to the Baekhyun-autism-comment issue, it has been a topic of much debate as many people have said that the korean word for autistic is similar to the korean word for defeated-i want to clarify that i do not speak korean so i cannot judge this myself-and that it was just a mistranslation. Official MAMAMOO Thread cntrljinsung Jul 1, 2019 hwasa mamamoo moomoo moonbyul solar wheein MAMAMOO bais? Yes, I should have checked the links. Feels bad yo. And please send me a link when you upload the video, Id be interested in seeing your translation. Even if it was a joke or a passing, it wasnt very funny. I included links to a post explaining why Siwons alleged homophobic comment was extremely dubious and likely to be untrue, though I guess I probably shouldnt have included it at all (I assumed people would go to the link). I dont think people should defend what others do/say, regardless of how long ago it was, but I do think people should look at stuff in context and use a degree of common sense. 2. This is extremely disheartening, as Hwasa has spent her entire life fighting against such backwards thoughts as that. : ) : ) Wow! Each controversy mamamoo has had is different from the next, yet people will hold a grudge and use any excuse to keep hating them. But their fans always informed them about their insensitive actions and Mamamoo always immediately apologized. Mamamoo is not the most problematic group ever I'm a fairly new Mamamoo fan and I was hearing a lot about them being super problematic towards black people (so being black) I decided to some research to find out. For those of you who might not know, Mamamoo is a four girl idol group who debuted under RBW (Rainbowbridge World) in June of 2014. People are accusing me of purposefully portraying all the members on the list as villains and not including their apologies. i love exo. Im ironically bad at dealing with conflict, which might make some people question why I started this blog (it was actually an accident, long story), but Ive tried not to let it affect my running of this blog. Mamamoo Has Been Receiving Hate Storms- And It's Only Getting Worse. hitType: 'event', Mamamoo - Solar. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Mamamoo has been dubbed by a lot, especially by antis as one of the most controversial groups in the history of kpop. It's incredibly frustrating dealing with these kinds of people. My hiatus is indefinite, but its unlikely Ill be running it again any time soon. On Strong Heart Henry revealed that when he first came to Southkorea he thought his fellow members were gay and that Kim Heechul was transgender. 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