So I don't really know. His first feature film was Thor: Ragnarok (2017). LARRY LIEBER: I believe so, yes. Larry Lieber. The award was presented July 25, 2008, during the 2008 Will Eisner Comic Industry Awards ceremony at Comic-Con International. Danny Earls, courtesy of a tweet from Gail Simone, and some rather fine sample pages, has secured himself gigs with both Marvel and DC Comics. 26 October 1931. Q: Okay. Q: And where did you come up with that name? [3] When he was six months old, the family moved to The Bronx, [4] settling at 1720 University . He also wrote the newspaper Spider-Man comic strip for years. Q: Do you remember what the plot was for the first Ant-Man? So I couldn't do that, I couldn't work. Well, Marvel was at that time putting out black and white, what we call black and white books. Q: Did he ever make changes to your stories or the scripts you would turn in? I had a furnished room in somebody's apartment. Q: Who came up with the name Thor, the hero name? So that was my first victory if you want to call that a victory, right. [15], Lieber's earliest, tentatively confirmed pre-superhero Marvel script is for the six-page Don Heck-illustrated "I Am the Beast-Man" in Strange Tales #77 (Oct. 1960), and his first confirmed is the 13-page "I Led the Strange Search for Manoo", penciled by Kirby and inked by Dick Ayers, in Amazing Adventures #2 (July 1961). LARRY LIEBER: I don't remember whether I initiated it or Stan offered it to me. Marvel Comics founder and longtime publisher Martin Goodman had left Marvel in 1972, having sold the company in 1968, and launched this new company in June 1974 to go head-to-head with Marvel and DC Comics. I don't, yeah, I don't know how it came about that way and why I moved on. MR. TOBEROFF: Assumes facts. I was very young and I had a couple of jobs. Lieber in 1999 remembered circumstances less hyperbolically: "Thor was just another story. MS. SINGER: Objection to form. No. Can you tell me what did a script look like? LARRY LIEBER: Uh-huh. Both are captured by the mysterious Mr. Nash, who wants to clone the Hulk. 2. Family: Father- Jack Lieber Mother- Celia Lieber Brother- Larry Lieber Sister- Not Known: Religion: Judaism: Ethnicity/Race: Jewish: Address (Fan Mail) Pow! Q: And what was printed on the back of the check? LARRY LIEBER: No. [25][26] With co-scripter Gary Friedrich primarily, Lieber wrote the hero's seven-page lead feature in the weekly Captain Britain #24-37 (March 23 - June 22, 1977), and, with co-writer Jim Lawrence, Captain Britain adventures in Marvel UK's Super Spider-Man #233-246 (July 27-Oct. 26, 1977). A new report by THR's Eriq Gardner reveals that this is just the tip of the iceberg of a new round of copyright claims and counterclaims among the heirs of Silver Age creators and the sole surviving creator, Larry Lieber, aka Stan Lee's brother. MR. TOBEROFF: Objection. "[12] He again drew for his brother, editor Stan Lee, at the 1950s forerunner of Marvel Comics, known generally as Atlas Comics, though whether on staff or freelance is uncertain. LARRY LIEBER: Yes. MR. TOBEROFF: I'm supposed to object before you answer. [16], Marvel superheroes and the Rawhide Kid[edit] Under Stan Lee plots, Lieber would go on to script the debut origin stories and other early appearances of the superheroes Thor (co-created with artist Jack Kirby) in Journey into Mystery, Iron Man (co-created with Kirby and Don Heck) in Tales of Suspense, and Ant-Man (co-created with Kirby) in Tales to Astonish. He said, "Larry if you want, you can write The Hulk and draw it". Let me start again. Stan Lee was an American comic-book writer, editor, and publisher, who was executive vice president and publisher of Marvel Comics. As Lieber recalled of those creature features, Stan made up the plot, and then he'd give it to me, and I'd write the script. He remembered writers from the past. Q: Good work. Assumes facts. I try to finish it, but sometimes I can't, so he just sees roughs, but that is good enough for him to get the idea if I captured the scene right. "[8], At 17, Lieber became a messenger for The New York Times and also found work at the Times Square studio of Sam Furber, a letterer whose work included movie posters. He said, 'Oh, I've read your letters.'"[13]. He said, 'Oh, I've read your letters.'"[13]. Stan was born in New York City, to Celia (Solomon) and Jack Lieber, a dress cutter. I used to go to it and gets parts of names to put together."[17]. I don't know where the hell I came up with it. But I don't yeah, yeah, Stan. LARRY LIEBER: Yes, there was something printed on the back. I can make certain changes, if I wish, and all that, but it's a full script, which I welcome. 7. He just didn't like my question. He would give it written to me. And I took them home and I taped them together, you know, I taped them all, and I kept them and I've kept them all these years to look at them and, as I say, to study them. Lee then took over as regular writer for the next few years. Sometimes if there was a lot of action, you might play up that panel and only have five, let's say, one panel across. That was one area because I'm wanting to be an artist myself, and I thought I had a very good sense of the drama and what to put down, what to draw. I used to get names out of the back of the dictionary, from the biographical section where you have foreign names, Russian, this and that. I assume I I I must have put it in and given it to Stan's office, perhaps his secretary or somebody, I think I did, and then they paid me and I I don't remember. Q: Is that because those pages were originally ripped in half? Q: Did you ever look at the pencilled drawings after or look at the inked drawings or look at the final book after you had turned in the script? Erwin Lieber and Margaret Elizabeth (Taylor) Lieber. Walt Disney Co. has targeted several legendary comic book artists with lawsuits seeking to decisively establish that it owns the rights to Marvel superheroes they helped create. Stanley Martin Lieber, popularly known as Stan Lee, was an American comic book writer, editor, publisher, media producer, television host, actor, and voice actor. As Stan Lee recalled, in his trademark jocular style, in 1974, Heretofore, I had written all of the origin tales of each new character, as well as the subsequent follow-up stories in every series. MR. TOBEROFF: "Getting back to the writing aspect"? [22] Lieber wrote the first nine Ant-Man stories (following the character's non-costumed introduction months earlier) in Tales to Astonish #35-43 (Sept. 1962 - May 1963) before veteran Ernie Hart did five issues, followed by Lee taking over. So at any rate finally I think at one point he got a little exasperated and he said, "I'm going to hire some of the old pros." Alta Ann (Lieber) Troxel 11 Sep 1934 Jennings, Decatur County, Kansas, USA - 24 Mar 2019 managed by Larry Fisher last edited 13 May 2021. LARRY LIEBER: Yes, I see the line. Well, if it was seven-page story, I would have each page what was on the page. LARRY LIEBER: No. Stan said, 'I'm trying to make up a character,' and he gave me the plot, and he said, 'Why don't you write the story? They could go from one to another, and some of the artists would actually play, you know, one company against another in the sense of saying, "Oh, I've been offered more money there," so if the art director wanted to keep him, he had to, you know, give him give him a little more. LARRY LIEBER: No. LARRY LIEBER: Yes, it was my understanding. I don't know where the hell I came up with it. v. Kirby et al. LARRY LIEBER: I believe so. LARRY LIEBER: Yes. So at any rate finally I think at one point he got a little exasperated and he said, "Im going to hire some of the old pros." Q: So did you write the first issue of The Rawhide Kid? I was working during the day and I went to [the Pratt Institute art school, in Brooklyn, in] the evening. Joan Lieber. On the checks you received for your freelance work, did they have language stating that your work was work made for hire? He said, Larry if you want, you can write The Hulk and draw it. He recalled in 1999 he had written some or all of these stories himself, "because I remember Stan was saying to me, 'You write romances really well. Q: Do you know what Milly's last name was? Robert Solomon, Stan and Larry's uncle, was the business manager at Timely. Find out about Larry Lieber's family tree, family history, ancestry, ancestors, genealogy, relationships and affairs! "[8], In 1974, Lieber left Marvel to take on an editorship at Atlas/Seaboard Comics, the term comic book historians and collectors use to refer to the "Atlas Comics" line published by Seaboard Periodicals, to differentiate it from the 1950s Marvel Comics predecessor Atlas Comics. LARRY LIEBER: Well, when the when the I give a LARRY LIEBER: I'm trying to think of the answers so much and I yeah, I'll wait. I did a few inventory stories [in the comic books] or different things, until finally they needed somebody, an artist, on [the] Spider-Man [comic] strip, which Fred Kida had been doing until he retired. Q: Have you ever submitted a, what we call a declaration or affidavit in connection with a lawsuit? Q: For all the time you worked there? We're going to focus today on the period from 1958 to 1965, so that's fine. And now this is the part where I ask you same thing he asked you: If you can just give a pause so if I have to jump in with an objection. Yes. Q: So you got paid for the script but you weren't paid for your redoing the plot a number of times? Larry Lieber, who scripted the initial appearances of Iron Man, Thor, Ant-Man, Loki, Fin Fang Foom, and other heroic and villainous characters in the Marvel Universe, has sued Marvel/Disney for a bigger portion of the pie. LARRY LIEBER: Yeah. No. I'm a little unclear about leaving the superheroes and going to Rawhide Kid. No. But they, if they just wanted you to make corrections, they might say, in later years anyway, I think they would have said, "Well, put in a voucher," if they wanted to be nice, "Put in a voucher for production work. "[10] There Lieber began illustrating comic books; his first known credit is penciling and inking the four-page crime comics story "Cop on the Beat", by an unknown writer, in All True Crime #44 (cover-dated May 1951). . He, he I never had to, you know, go home and do it again. He hired Lieber to be editor of the Atlas black-and-white comics-magazines, and additionally hired Warren Publishing veteran Jeff Rovin to edit the color comic-book line, which soon fell under Lieber's editorship.[25]. Lambiek Comiclopedia artist ID. It was either Jack or Don Heck, I think. [25], When Atlas went under in late 1975, Lieber received six months severance pay and spent time trying to devise a newspaper comic strip for syndication. (I still retain an affection for western comics.) Died 12 Nov 2018 at age 95 in Los Angeles, Los Angeles . Sep 08, 2015 at 12:12 pm. Widower of Private Mother of: Stanley Martin Lieber, aka Stan Lee Lawrence D. "Larry" Lieber (B2610310R) Burial: 17 Dec 1947 NY, NY City Municipal Deaths (FamilySearch) Thank you, Shannon. So that was my first victory if you want to call that a victory, right. l/lieber_larry. He additionally began writing it in early 1979. LARRY LIEBER: Stan. I had a certain page rate, which I don't recall exactly. LARRY LIEBER: Stan offered me I had to earn a living. The media giant, which acquired Marvel in 2009, on Friday sued Larry Lieber, who helped create the characters Iron Man, Thor and Ant-Man, and the estates of several . There were artists and writers who had worked I was almost the only one in the profession who couldn't work for another company, which, in this case, the most likely one would have been DC, because Stan was my brother. LARRY LIEBER: Years later. [18] I needed someone to write the new feature, which would hopefully be Marvel's fourth winner in our little superhero sweepstakes. I put in a voucher. Q: That's fine. [27], The Hulk was kind of popular on television, and so I drew The [Incredible] Hulk. No. Yes. He was putting out color comics, and he was also going to put out black-and-white comics like Warren and Marvel. LARRY LIEBER: I don't recall the exact words, but the gist of it was that I was giving up all rights to it, that the work, you know, now is with the company and and I don't remember the exact wording, but I think it was something "giving up your rights" or "all rights." I know that at the time I wanted what's the expression? LARRY LIEBER: No. There was nothing about this most . Q: During all the time you did work with Marvel, did you have a written contract with Marvel? I didn't think about it at all. Lieber, by now living in the Tudor City apartment complex in Manhattan, began freelancing[14] regularly for the nascent Marvel Comics, "writing stories for Jack [Kirby] to draw",[12] referring to the artist who had co-created Captain America for the company in 1940 and had recently returned for a long, exclusive stint in which Kirby would co-create many signature Marvel characters in the Silver Age of Comics. Early life. Facebook gives people the power to. . Q: There's a reference here to "Marvel style." No, I I, no, it it came when Jack moved on to doing super-heroes. But he always used it. LARRY LIEBER: I'm sorry? "They needed superhero-reprint covers, and I could do them somewhat in Kirby's style. LARRY LIEBER: Oh, I didn't I'm sorry. Q: And you say, "They were full scripts and I didn't think of Jack when I wrote it at all. Regardless, his next confirmed credit is penciling and inking the three-page story "A World to Conquer" in Journey into Unknown Worlds #52 (Dec. 1956), followed by stories in such Atlas romance comics as Love Romances, Love Tales, Stories of Romance, True Tales of Love and The Romances of Nurse Helen Grant in issues cover-dated April to August 1957 and July 1958. Edward L. K Q: And you were writing scripts? Japanese Toilets, Star Trek: Picard Showrunner on Jurati Borg, "Real Borg" S03 Statuses. Stan's Family Marvel Jack Lieber and Celia Lieber - Parents. It's easy on the letterer; they're going to be using it all the time. The only, and this isn't interviewed, but, no, no, no, no, no. We went to a typewriter store on Lexington Avenue and I paid for it, sure. When I did Rawhide Kid, I wanted people to cry as if they were watching High Noon or something. Larry Lieber is the author of Captain Britain (3.48 avg rating, 46 ratings, 13 reviews, published 2011), Tales to Astonish #13 (3.31 avg rating, 29 ratin. Discover Larry Lieber's Biography, Age, Height, Physical Stats, Dating/Affairs, Family and career updates. Q: Okay. Q: And was it your understanding that when they did buy your work, that they owned all rights to it? Was there anything, just to be clear so for the record MS. SINGER: Good work. After that, after the Hulk, Stan left. Q: Do you have any recollection that it stopped at some point? With Rita Moreno, Sally Field, Jane Fonda, Lily Tomlin and Tom Brady. I made up stories that I really liked and it lasted a little while. I remember being I spent a lot of time in the office then, and I remember being in the office and Milly, who was the bookkeeper, would sometimes come would come around and give out checks to the people on staff, I believe, and also to freelancers. '"[20] Under Lee's plotting, Lieber's eight Thor stories also introduced the Marvel characters Loki, Odin, and Balder, from the pantheon of Norse mythological gods; their home, Asgard; and Bifrost the Rainbow Bridge, which connected that realm to Earth. I know there were artists who work for other companies. Lieber then succeeded Kida on the daily strip in 1986. As Stan Lee recalled, in his trademark jocular style, in 1974, Heretofore, I had written all of the origin tales of each new character, as well as the subsequent follow-up stories in every series. His wife Joan, to whom he'd been married since 1949 . If you're not familiar with this case, here is BC's overview on the matter and here is another recent development. Q: And we'll just call that writing legends for purposes It didn't happen to me usually, except one instance where I had to do things and I wasn't paid for it. He hired Lieber to be editor of the Atlas black-and-white comics-magazines, and additionally hired Warren Publishing veteran Jeff Rovin to edit the color comic-book line, which soon fell under Lieber's editorship.[24]. Stan was writing it and after a while The Hulk wasnt doing well and Stan decided to give it up, or give up his part. So I always felt I couldn't get work from any other company, and some years later, I met the man who was the, I guess, art director there and we were we were chatting, and I happened to bring this up about I sent work over and I never got it, and he looked at me in surprise and said, "You mean that was on the level?" But a page of script would have panel one, panel two, panel three. "[32] He retired from pencilling the strip in July 2018. LARRY LIEBER: It was the same before. Q: And that artwork was also purchased by And there were other people in the office, but nobody else seemed to have noticed this, which I was glad about, and I just took them, walked over to where I was sitting and put them in my case. Lieber, by now living in the Tudor City apartment complex in Manhattan, began freelancing[14] regularly for the nascent Marvel Comics, "writing stories for Jack [Kirby] to draw",[12] referring to the artist who had co-created Captain America for the company in 1940 and had recently returned for a long, exclusive stint in which Kirby would co-create many signature Marvel characters in the Silver Age of Comics. None whatsoever. both New York City and Indianapolis. LARRY LIEBER: No. Loving father of Taylor. Q: You can answer. LARRY LIEBER: No. Dr. Lawrence Lieber, MD is an Orthopedic Surgery Specialist in Downers Grove, IL and has over 42 years of experience in the medical field. LARRY LIEBER: I could tell you, yeah, it was it was well, I remember the date. So I could never do that. This I happen to remember. Q: Let me take a step back then. But if you didn't come into the office, I don't remember if they sent them to you. Jacob was born on September 15 1886, in Botosani, Romania. LARRY LIEBER: Oh, I would turn in the script. Larry Lieber. I'm sorry. LARRY LIEBER: The same way as the other. Q: Now, as a freelancer, if your work was rejected, you wouldn't be paid for that, would you? [1], Lieber also penciled The Amazing Spider-Man Annual #4-5 (1967-1968), the latter introducing in flashback the late parents of protagonist Peter Parker; co-wrote and co-penciled the first solo Doctor Doom feature story, in Marvel Super-Heroes #20 (May 1969);[11] and did occasional other work including, for Magazine Management's men's magazines, several stories of the bawdy "nudie-cutie" comedy feature "Pussycat". I also, you know, I also, in doing this, I had to use the sense of the visual. They tried somebody else and it didn't work out and they offered it to me and I started doing it and I've been doing it for 20 years now it'll be. LARRY LIEBER: That I did freelance work for them? So he hired somebody and then the next week when I came back to him he said, "Larry, you know something, youre no good, but you're better than these other guys. [8], In 1980 and 1981, concurrent with the Hulk strip, Lieber contributed some degree of penciling on the daily and Sunday comic strip The Amazing Spider-Man until Fred Kida took over as regular penciler. And I was learning to write in the early years so I wasn't too fast, and Jack was very fast and a wonderful, wonderful artist. Assumes facts. Q: And did all of the ideas for stories come from Stan Lee or was there any other way you would get ideas? I'm sorry, what? Husband of Joan (Boocock) Lee married 5 Dec 1947 in Reno, Nevada, United States. I I wrote a few books, the first issue or the first couple issues, yes. Could you do me a favor and just pause before answering a question so I have room to object before? He is the younger brother of Stan Lee, the creator of numerous Marvel superheroes. [5] At "about ten-and-a-half", with his brother in U.S. Army, Lieber and his parents returned to Manhattan, moving to the Washington Heights neighborhood. In 2008, he was one of two recipients of that year's Bill Finger Award, which annually honors one living and one deceased comics creator. Martin Goodman the owner, was the referred-to cousin. My only experience was in the color comics. In 2008, he was one of two recipients of that year's Bill Finger Award, which annually honors one living and one deceased comics creator. Marvel legend Stan Lee rightfully gets credit when discussing the most important creators at Marvel, alongside Steve Ditko, Joe Simon Jack Kirby, and others. Entertainment, Inc. 9440 Santa Monica Blvd. As Lieber explained, Lee, wasn't always the most patient person and I had problems [writing] the dialogue and he said, "Why did you say that? Q: And just to be clear, the when you wrote the script for Ant-Man, that was also with the full breakdown of the panels? Q: Okay. I would have to I would have to describe the action to the artist in the first panel, and then if there was a caption like so and so entered, you know, here or a monster was coming to town or something, I would have to write the caption and then I would have to write the dialogue. Larry Lieber. LARRY LIEBER: Henry Pym, P-Y-M. No. Maybe there was just too much humor in it, or too much something. What was the form it came in? Lee has one younger brother, comic book artist and writer Larry Lieber. He is now 83 years old. LARRY LIEBER: No. Q: What how did you come to work on Rawhide Kid? [11] Lieber recalled, The template below (Block quote) is being considered for deletion. I think it might have been Don Heck, but I'm not sure. I assumed, seeing a man walk out of the office and tear his artwork up, that or I thought probably they were rejected and he was annoyed or disgusted. LARRY LIEBER: Stan. Q: And when you say "the script," that's what we were talking about before that told panel by panel? There were various page rates. How? LARRY LIEBER: They I was in the office, the Marvel office. LARRY LIEBER: No. LARRY LIEBER: He would go over it and, as I said, if it were in the early years, he might correct or change a line or two. I don't remember the year, but I obtained them when they were discarded. Good pause. IT GOT THREE . LARRY LIEBER: No. Genealogy for Celia Lieber (Solomon) (1894 - 1947) family tree on Geni, with over 230 million profiles of ancestors and living relatives. "He would go over it and if it were in the early years, he might correct or change a line or two. So that's why I did that. LARRY LIEBER: He made up a character and he wanted and he asked me to write it. Q: And do you recall strike that. It's easy on the letterer; they're going to be using it all the time. I think I wanted a little more freedom. I don't remember when I first got them. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Lieber. Q: When is the first time you heard the phrase "work made for hire," if any? I made that, which people know about. And should I go on? LARRY LIEBER: Yeah, that would be and I think that was called the Marvel style. LARRY LIEBER: That was another one I wrote, and I came up with his name too. From 1974 to 1975, he was editor of Atlas/Seaboard Comics. MS. SINGER: 19 out of 20 19 out of 30. Son of Jack Aron Lieber and Celia Lieber So I went back home and I did so, and I came back and I think either he didn't like it a second time or he accepted it, but there was another story that he made me redo again. LARRY LIEBER: No. Within the next few years, healong with help from Kirby, his brother Larry Lieber, and artist Steve Ditko . I wrote The Rawhide Kid and I drew it. Q: And just to follow up on something you said, you mentioned a letterer, what was the job of the letterer? LARRY LIEBER: Oh, yes. Q: Did you have any conversations or any interactions with Jack Kirby about the Thor book? How would he give that to you? I didn't think much about it because I felt the only reason I was doing it was to get paid, you know. I just remember people saying sometimes, "Oh, you just missed Milly," and if you missed Milly when she was handing out the checks, then you went to bookkeeping and went over to Milly and she opened her drawer and said, "Here's your check." Q: Do you know of other, any other writers or artists who are working freelance, on a freelance basis with Marvel, who at that time were also submitting freelance work to other comic book publishers? 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